The Mystery Of The World Beyond
United Nations, New York June 26,1992.

The so-called third world. It's a higher step. The one who goes to the third world has to be absolutely clean of every debt of this world, at least. You understand? If we owe something to the king of this physical world, we cannot go up. Just like if you are a criminal of some nation, you are not clear of the record, you can not pass beyond the border to go to another nation. So, the debt of this world includes many things that we've done in the past and in the present and maybe in the future days of our physical life. Now all these have to be cleared, just like we clear the customs, before we can go into the world beyond. But when we are in the second world, we start to work, you understand, with any left-over karma of the past and this present life. Because without past karma, we cannot exist in this present life.

The masters have two different categories. One without karma but he borrows the karma to come down; the other one is like us, ordinary beings, but with cleansed karma. So, anyone could be a would-be master, you know, a future master. And sometimes the master descends from the higher world with borrowed karma. How does it sound to you, to borrow the karma? (Master laughs) It's possible. It's possible. For example, before you came down here, you have been here before. Yes? And you have given and taken with different people of the world for many ages or many hundred years. And then you go back to heaven or to your abode which is very far away, different levels at least to the fifth level. That's the house of the master, the fifth level. But beyond that there are more levels, okay!

Now, so when we want to come back again due to compassion or some assigned job from the Father, for example, then we come down. And because of the affinity with the people in the past, we could borrow some of their account, you know, karma. Only debt, nothing, nothing beautiful about the people. We can borrow some debt and then we pay it, understand, by our spiritual power slowly until we finish the job in this world. So, this is a different kind of master, yeah? And there are also ones who are from this world after they practice they immediately become masters here, just like they graduate. Yes. Therefore, in the university just like we have professors and have the students who graduate and become professors afterward. Understand? There are long, long time professors, and newly graduated professors etc. Similarly, there are these kind of masters.

So now, if we want to go to the third world, we must be absolutely clean of every trace of karma. Karma is the law of "As you sow, so shall you reap". Yeah? Just like we plant an orange seed, then we get oranges, an apple seed, we have apples, so these are the so-called karmas. It's the Sanskrit language for cause and retribution. The Bible doesn't talk about karma but it says, As you sow, so shall you reap. That's the same thing.

The Bible is a shortened form of the teaching of the master, and anyhow His life was also a shortened form. Therefore we don't have much explanation in the Bible. And many of the Bible versions have been also censored in order to suit the so-called leaders of these movements; not necessarily always spiritually-minded people. You know in every kind of aspect, people sell and buy everything. Brokers... there are brokers full of every aspect in life. But the Bible, the true Bible, we know is a little bit different, a little bit longer, more precise and easier to understand. Anyhow, because we cannot prove much of it, so we don't talk about it in case people say we are blaspheming. So that we can only say something that we can prove.

And you would ask me then, "You talk about this second world, third world and fourth world. How can you prove it?" Well I can! I can prove it. If you walk along with me, the same path, you will see the same thing. Understand? But if you don't walk, then I can't prove it to you. That's of course. That's of course. Therefore, I dare talk about these things because there is proof. We have proof with hundreds of thousands of disciples around the world. So, we can say things that we know. Now for example, if we go to... but this you have to walk with me, you have to walk. Otherwise you cannot say, "Wow, you walk for me and tell me and show me everything." I cannot.

For example, if I am not in the United Nations in this room, doesn't matter how much you tell about this room, I have not actually experienced it. Right? So, we have to walk with whomever is experienced guide. And I have some of the disciples in this room who have different nationalities, they have had some of these experiences that I have just told you, partly and some fully. Yes, yes. And so, after the third world, this is by no means everything. What I told you is just a part of things. That's kind of traveling story, relating things in a small portion and not very detailed. Even when we read a book about some country, it's not the actual country. Right? Therefore, we have many books about traveling, about different countries in the world, but we still like to go ourselves over there. Right?

We know about Spain and Tenerife and Greece, but these are only movies or only books. We have to go there and to actually experience the joy of being there and the food they offer and the delicious water of the sea and the beautiful weather and the friendly people and all kinds of atmosphere that we cannot experience by reading books.

So, anyhow suppose you have passed the third world and what next? Of course, you go to the higher, the fourth. And the fourth world, this is already out of extraordinary. And we cannot just use the simple language to describe all these things to the lay persons for fearing of offending the lord of that world. Because that world is so beautiful even though there are some parts of it are very dark, darker than on electric--cut night in New York. Have you experienced the whole, complete city in darkness? Yes! It's darker than that! But before you reach the light, it's darker than that. It's the kind of a forbidden city. Before we reach God's knowledge, we are stopped, over there. But with a master, with an experienced master, you can pass through, otherwise we cannot find the road in that kind of world.

When we reach different levels of... planes of existence, we have experienced not only spiritual changes but physical changes also, intellectual changes and everything else in our life. We look at life in a different manner, we walk differently, we work differently. Even our work, our daily work takes on a different meaning and we understand why we work this way, why we have to be in this job, or why should we change that job. We understand our purpose of life, so we no longer feel restless and agitated, yes! But we wait very harmoniously, patiently for our mission on earth to finish, because we know where we are going next. We know while we are living. That's what is said, "dying while living". Yes, yes! And I suppose some of you have heard of something like this before, but I don't know any master who can speak differently, (Master laughs) except that we have to experience the actual joy of the inner experiences. How can anyone who describes... I mean a Mercedes Benz differently. Right? It has to be the same thing. So, any people who own a Mercedes Benz, who know the Benz, he would describe the same thing, understand, but that is not the Benz.

So, even though I speak to you in a very ordinary language, but these are not ordinary things and these are the things we have to experience by ourselves, with work, sincerity and with a guidance. It's safer that way. Although it perhaps happens, one in a million that we can make it ourselves, but with danger, with risk and with very not secure results, not very safe. Some of the people in the past... for example Swedenborg. He had kind of made it himself. Or maybe Gurdjieff, he was supposed to have made it himself, go all the way alone. But when I read some of the people, this work, they have not been without danger and a lot of trouble. And it's not necessarily that all of them reach the highest level.

So, after that you go to a higher level. After the fourth, you go to the higher level. The house of the master which is the fifth level, all the masters came from there. Even though their levels are higher than the fifth, they will stay there. It's the residence of the master. And beyond that, there are many aspects of God, which are difficult to understand. I'm afraid to confuse you, so probably another time I'll tell you, or maybe after initiation when you'll be a little bit more prepared; and I'll tell you some terrific things about your imagination. How sometimes it plays wrong about many ideas about God.