So I said, tradition in the United Nations in Geneva, we began with meditation. Of course you can meditate in which ever way you wish or you are used to. If you have not acquired the habit of meditation, or if you wish to learn a little bit of the basic, I suggest that you could close your eyes, and then concentrate on your third eye, or the wisdom eye which is a little bit above the eyebrows and in the middle, like this over here. Yeah! And from there, you look straight. Use this wisdom eye to look straight in front of this. The invisible screen in front of you. It's like you use your physical eyes to look into the screen of the movies. And be it light or dark, just look into the center of it. And repeat the name of God, of Buddhas, or whomever be the Saint that you have the most faith in.
In this process of meditation, even though very little time, but you may be able to experience some of the heavenly signs. Maybe you see the stars,the moon, the sun. Naturally, it takes some more minutes to quiet down the mind, but you could try ten minutes here, and try more at home, if you wish. Thank you. Are you okay? It's OK now.
I'm very happy for the world that in the United Nations, people meditate. Since ancient times, the great kings were always those who have deep insight, and those who practice meditation method in order to be connected with heaven and to know the wilt of heaven before they are able to govern the earth's affair. That's why since ancient times, the great kings of wisdom, they always rule with a compassionate and wise system. And their names always stay forever in the heart of the people. And they never have to use violence or arm force to conquer but they use love and wisdom.
And we have reason to feel happy that here in the United Nations, such people exist. Because actually, the persons in the United Nations are more or less kings of the world, because we don't rule only one nation, but whatever service we do here affects the whole world. I'm so happy that there is a tradition here that we meditate. Yes! Not once a week, but also every day at home. Once a week is only when we get together here to do it in a symbolic way. But the more important practice carries on at home, and even at work. Our system of meditation is a continuous process 24 hours. For those who seek wisdom, and for those who likes to serve the world with love and dignity, and of course wisdom. when we are connected with heaven through different means of meditation, or deep prayers in sincere longing to know the will of God, we will be able to serve the world in a better light. Because the light from heaven which comes through meditation will be able to shine our path in whichever path we choose to serve the world.
Of course here, in the United Nations, your work is most noble, most important. I have always been following the activities of the United Nations, and I feel very happy that our earth, our planet, at least has such universal body who serves the whole world, not only one or two governments and selflessly, sometimes sacrifice even their precious lives for the peace of the world, for instance, like in Cambodia the peace army, yes, what you call it? Right? Or in some many other, not very stable countries. This demand sometimes the sacrifices of personal comfort and safety and even lives. And let's hope in the future, all the world will heed the advice and the directions of the United Nations. And that we'll live in a more loving atmosphere of brotherhood. And of course the meditation practice which is headed by the group, yes, sure, yes, would be a great benefit. As I have said that since ancient times, all the wise kings, they ruled with love and wisdom, and never with force. So it is very, very good that the personnel in the United Nations do meditation together. That is very, very touching to know. And if you would like to try some other kind of meditation, and with no condition, no binding, no charge whatsoever. Just with love to serve the world through you, to let God serve through us. Because the time is not very long so I think I'll let you ask me any questions you wish to.
Q. About Your vegetarian diet, and what if somebody has the willingness to follow and unconsciously or not knowing eats meat, how would that affect?
M. That probably would give you a little bit of a stomach-ache. But you meditate a little bit more that day, and that would be no problem. We can't always avoid. The vegetarian diet is only to propagate more loving kindness which already exists in us. To polish it more, to bring it to full extent to all beings, including our younger brothers and sisters. Yeah! But if you, that is, just to show our love and also to polish our compassion. But if we do something unconsciously, no one can blame us. God would not.
Q. I would like to know what it means, "initiation?" you were talking about the initiation you are making after or tonight...
M. Initiation means, at the time you are very sincerely longing to know our Kingdom of God within, our own greatness, our inherent wisdom. Yeah. If you want to know that, then we arrange it. Because we have it inside, you just forget, don't know where to switch the button. And because the button is not visible, therefore it has to be done invisibly within ourselves. So at the time of initiation, the experienced friend or guide will help you to push open that button. And from then on, you enter into the circle of sainthood, and you know your wisdom. And when the button is pushed open, there is some signal. Like bright light coming through, or heavenly music. That is the signal of the opening of Kingdom of God within you. You already have it, the master or the teacher don't give you anything, just help you to rediscover it. That is the initiation. Yeah!
Q. Excuse me. You've done a lot of work recently for the refugees of the world. How about the drug problem of today? What kind of a visible aid....
M. Yeah! The drug... You're right. Ignorance and frustration of the young people of our age. Because many of the so called holy organizations sometimes have failed in satisfying their spiritual need for the higher meaning of life, more than just materials. Because materials today we don't lack. Therefore they're charmed, they're seduced into taking drugs. Because in taking drugs, sometimes they can have hallucinations and feel comforted for a very short time. But little did they realize the very great at consequence after that. Therefore meditation is the better, is the best way to relieve all these sufferings of people when they want to know God, they want to know happiness inside. Because our happiness through meditation, through the light and music of heaven is everlasting. And it's always improved, and always more and more happiness and never have any consequence like the drug. If we can propagate more the meditational benefit, then the drug affect on people will be less. People will understand where to turn to for a longer lasting happiness. Yes, Please!
Q. I'd just like to come back to the subject of enlightenment and initiation which I see You put the word "immediate".
M. Where is it? Oh! My disciples they make troubles for me again.
Q. Immediate enlightenment....
M. Immediate enlightenment means immediate.
Q. But the initiation periods in ancient Egypt, for instance, were at least seven years.
M. Seven years? Oh! Yeah! I understand.
Q. And usually initiation is regarded as a rather long process by which one earns enlightenment.
M. Yes, true.
Q. I know it suits our modem life to say "Burb!" or we can now be enlightened. But I wonder what the process is?
M. OK. In the ancient times, it's not easy to find a master even. Yeah? And if you find one, they test you for long years, test very long. Like Milarepa of Tibet, tested for years with a lot of scolding and beating sometimes. But today if you do that, the master will be put in jail. (Laugher) It's not allowed any more. And besides our world with a very fast and advanced way of life, we can't just cling on to that kind of method of testing disciples. Today we have to tune in with the modem pace of the society. And of course, it makes more troubles for the so called teacher Yeah! Because he has no time to ground the disciples to make him earn what is very precious. But what do you think? If a master do that, how more long we will be enlightened? It takes a long time. You see the enlightenment is very fast. But the process of seven years is to test the disciples and to ground moral discipline into them. Yeah! That is very good also. But because of that, in ancient times, not many people are enlightened. And because of ignorance, they crucified Jesus. Because not many people know what enlightenment is, and what meditation practice is. It's so new and so strange. Therefore today many masters make it open to the public. That is the sacrifice of a master. Time, expense, and a lot of effort, to bring the disciples into a fast, moral standard and a very high level of enlightenment. It's different time. (M. Thank You.) You are welcome. Enlightenment doesn't mean you are completely enlightened. You have a taste of enlightenment, so you are encouraged to go further with it. In the olden times, master don't do that. They let you first work, and how to say, really suffer for it. And then you appreciate it even more. Yes, sure. Any more questions? Yes, please.
Q. Could You define or describe enlightenment, as You understand it?
M. Oh! Yes. There are two levels within our existence. One is the so called ignorance; the other enlightenment. Yeah? And we step through the border, we come into an enlightenment. Enlightenment implies light. So when you sit in quietness through the help of the experienced teacher, you have light, You see "light" floating through you. Then you feel elevated, you feel changed. You enter into a different dimension. And once you enter in there and are registered, you never come back again. You still work in the world, still do your business, fulfil your duty as a housewife, a husband, or United Nation personnel, but inside you contact with a higher world. But not only light that we see, we see beautiful heavenly mansions which like Jesus said, "in my Father's house there are many mansions." We can visit, we can see sometimes ancient masters and learn from their wisdom in order to put this into the use for our daily service to the world. That's why we work more effectively. And less effort, but more result. Because we are wiser, we learn from the masters. Because these masters never die. They just ascend into a higher level of existence. If we ascend to their level, we'd meet them also. We can learn from them. That's a better way than to learn from limited scriptures or Bibles which sometimes we don't understand the meanings anyhow.
Q. What is Your view of life after death? How would it be going on?
M. We die every day, during meditation. Many people do not know what dying is. Because they don't die every day. When we meditate, sometimes we die. We die, but we come back again. Because our silver cord is not broken yet as it would be at the time of death. So we die, we go to different world, we leave this physical world for a while. Maybe sometimes for some hours, or months, like the monk Kung Ching. Yeah! But we come back again. That's the process of death. Just like you walk from this room to the outside of the door. Any time. There's no problem. But that is to the ones who are virtuous, and who live up to the way of heaven, and who meditate and who contact the kingdom of God within. Then they die just like walking through the door to a better room, a more glorious world. But to those who are heavy burdened, and who do not fear God, and who do things which are not according to God's loving law. Then, they have a lot to fear. At the time of death, they suffer tremendous pain. And also they sometimes they sink to a little bit, lower existence which is more terrifying, more suffering. That's what we call hell. For us, no problem. We die every day.
Q. I wonder if You could give us a few basic points of Your teachings. I have notice you have written a few books. And I just want to know very briefly, what's the few basic points of teachings or Your theory. What should one do to become enlightened, and to what one should believe in those basic points. Thank You.
M. I understand. Our teaching doesn't advocate any particular religion, but you stay with your own religion. And we just help you at the time of initiation to make contact with your faith. For example, you believe in God, and we help you to see God. If you believe in Buddha, fine. You'll see the Buddha. And you can learn from God or Buddha directly. But through none-verbal teaching from heaven, you see, we don't have to use language. Therefore, at the time of initiation, I don't talk. We just sit quietly, and then in silence you will be enlightened. Because your nature is enlightenment.
Q. Having read Your doctrine about meditation and enlightenment and previous levels of existence You have described it sounds a bit frightening.
M. Which one? Which level?
Q. I don't know which level. There are many levels You've mentioned when one meditates. How does one overcome this kind of fear when you go into different levels?
M. The first... Maybe some of the lower levels are frightening. But the other ones are not. Maybe you read the first one, yeah? The first level is called the Astral level. There are many tricks there because that's a lower level. Just a level of still illusion and hell exists there also. Of course you 'night traverse it and then maybe you encounter some kind of unfriendly beings. But the master is there, that's why! To protect you, to pass through this unfriendly region and to go higher. No problem. Many of my fellow practitioners they are very happy, they are not frightened, yeah. Very, very beautiful, very excellent in feeling. You feel renewed, like you are charged with full of energy. You will be like a new born person. You will not be frightened. OK?
Q. I would like to ask if You have been attacked by the negative energies, causing interference in Your work?
M. Yes! Yes! You see, I have been attacked also by some of these so called negative energies. But when they encounter the light which is surrounded by a practitioner, like myself for example, then they melt like noodles, or like nothing. So I have never been harmed. I never fight back. Just naturally they stopped. They just melted. One of the practitioners after she became a disciple, she told me in front of a great assembly that she was a kind of Taoist. She practiced until she can manifest a knife that long. A knife, but invisible knife. And whomever she directed that knife to is assured of death. And she directed that knife to me while I was lecturing somewhere, without telling anybody because it's invisible. It's a form of light and sharp and about that long. But when it came to me, the light that surrounded me just melted that knife. And she surrendered. Now she became a disciple. OK. We have that even on tape. She confessed that after becoming a disciple. Otherwise, nobody knows. I never talk about it.
Q. Have you had contact with the wisdom center in our planet, like Shambhala or things like this?
M. There are many people in the past with whom we can always have contact. It's no problem. For my disciples it's already much easier. All my disciples, fellow practitioners can contact them also. And they see Jesus, Buddha, and sometimes even already at the time of initiation.
Q. What do You think about the phenomenon of UFOs on our planet?
M. They are the other planets which are more advanced in technology. And, in our universe, there are many planets like that. Sometimes they make UFO for sale. Maybe in the future, we can buy one. Yeah! It's not a joke.
Q. I don't understand why we say God is good, but yet there is so much suffering in the world?
M. This is not God's fault. It is our fruit. We see things with different eyes. We should see things with the eye. And we see the true goodness to go into a world of none suffering. You see different. Like all the owls the owl in the day time the sun shines brilliantly. But he never knows there is a sun. And he says there is no sun, no sun. But for us, there is a sun because we have different eyes.
Q. Yes, so when the people near You are suffering morally and physically, with the third eye, You don't see any more?
M. If I don't want to see the evolution of this world, then I see nothing. But because of those who suffer, I come down and see as they see it, to help them. If I want to help him, of course I have to come down to his level and understand. And help him to go up, just like you help a child to learn ABC's even though you have Ph.D. Yeah!
Q. But can we help directly by meditation? The sufferings of the world?
M. Yes, somehow we help. But because everyone must be enlightened himself in order to get out of the sufferings. Otherwise it's no use. It helps of course, just like you are a professor in the university. And of course you help your children to be more intelligent by helping him with the homework. But he himself must be a Ph.D. later in order to know how to work, how to earn money, how to have a high position in the world. So it helps a little bit. But each one must be enlightened. Otherwise, one Buddha enlightened is enough, one Jesus is enough.
Q. How can children practice Your method?
M. The children when they are six years old, if they are with initiated parents, they can be initiated into half. When they are twelve, if they have parents who also practice, they can be initiated full. If they don't have parents who are initiated, they have to wait until sixteen years old. OK?
Q. Why do the parents decide for the initiation of children?
M. The children must want it. We respect young and old. And I always tell people never to force other people into an initiation or any kind of practice if they are not ready.