I was studying with some of the Buddhist Zen monks, they told me that you have to sit and meditate like this (Master demonstrates the position of sitting straight, looking at Her nose) with your eyes open. I saw nothing! I only saw my nose and the floor! (Laughter) So one day I got tired and closed my eyes, then everything came. So I didn't listen to their nonsense anymore. (Master laughs) I did my stuff.

I studied with many masters before, because in search of enlightenment, I looked for many masters. One of the Zen masters told me, "When you meditate, cross your legs; and the more you cross, the better for you." So I squeezed my bottom, and twisted my limbs. It was terrible! Then whenever you didn't close your eyes properly, if you moved, or if you scratched, there was something like, "Bang!" (Master demonstrates being hit with a stick.) It shook you all over. Nothing (no light) happened anyway, so I decided to relax. Then all the heavenly beings came. (Master laughs)

They told me,"When you go to sleep, you can lie down and meditate, too." (Just like I told you; it is correct. You should lie on the right side when you lie down to meditate, just like the Buddha.) No problem, I do that. But when I lay there, meditated, trying with all my might, I saw nothing! When I turned over to sleep, wow! Everything was there! (Master laughs) But I tried many hours like this, and saw nothing. I was so tired and my eyes got dry and hurt. So I said, "Oh, now I will go to sleep." As I turned over, the light came. I lay on my right side, supposed to go to sleep, but I couldn't sleep anymore because all the light came. So do whatever you think is proper for yourself. If you want to see the light, even if you have to crawl on the floor to see the light, do it! I never tell you that you have to sit cross-legged. You won't fall asleep easily, that's all. But later on, you improve, and you experiment with your own body and mind, and have fun.